But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren’t simply controversial. They weren’t simply a religious leader’s effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country – a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.
As such, Reverend Wright’s comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems – two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all.
…
That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety – the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity’s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.
And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions – the good and the bad – of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.
I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. Full Text.
It is a bit early, and I am not sure I know what to make of Obama’s speech except that it is well crafted for placing emotion above reason, as usual. I do understand embracing a community, a Church, in all its contradictions. Communities of people are complex, individuals are complex and we love them and commune with them anyway despite their contradictions.
But the Church is something else. Perhaps I am in the minority of Catholics. But I dont have have a partial relationship with the Church. While Catholics are a pile of contradictions, Catholicism is not. Rather, Catholicism is supremely coherent and intellectually vital from generation to generation. Catholicism abhores a contradiction in its teaching and strives to reconcile contradictions in our living through the sacraments. In my experience, one disagrees with the Church to his peril.
So, in a real way I cannot imagine a Rev. Wright in the Catholic Church. Preaching ideology at the expense of theology is simply untenable. Remove the glad rags and gesticulations, the customs, and the affect of the black Church to which I am NOT referring. I cannot imagine the intellectual equivalent of Rev. Wright in the Catholic Church. If I met such in the Church, I would denounce him to the bishop.
So, Obama supports a minister who plays fast and loose with the facts, who so distorts the truth of things as to make it unrecognizable, who is himself an unrestrained, unrepentant demagogue, and who foments racial hatreds. And we still consider Obama for the highest office in the land? the world? I don’t think so. We need a true post racial ideology candidate. Obama is far, far from that.
But, as I say, it is early after his speech. What do you all think?


Remove the glad rags and gesticulations, the customs, and the affect of the Catholic Church to which I am NOT referring, and peruse the writings of Pope Benedict XVI – especially when he was still named Ratzinger and was prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
You have however pointed out the major difference between the hierarchal Churches and the non-hierarchal Churches. There is far less oversight when you leave the hierarchy.
You said,
“Catholicism abhores a contradiction in its teaching and strives to reconcile contradictions in our living through the sacraments. In my experience, one disagrees with the Church to his peril.”
Is this why the elders in the Catholic church tried to hide and cover up child molestation for years and years? There is much hypocrisy in many religions.
Those same priests guilty of damaging our children stood before the congregations with heavenly words as well.
Many preachers as well as people accross this country placed blame for 9/11 on our country! Our country HAS undermined the AA people since they were brought here as slaves. Why are people so afraid of truth?
We all have family members and friends that say things we do not always believe in but many of us still stick by them for the good that is there that we ourselves see.
Ask yourself what Jesus would do. Would he turn away from a man who has done wonderous works to uplift a beaten people for a few words out of heated anger that the masses do not understand? Or would he embrace the man that could over look anothers faults?
Jesus was a wise man. Are we to disavow his teachings or follow them?
Think how happy the good lord would be if we all worked togther to make a better world for all God’s children.
Peace!
Maryblu,
Thanks for visiting Per Christum. You make a popular point, but one that misunderstands the Catholic Church entirely. My point is that TEACHING abhors a contradiction in the Catholic Church. Certainly, humanity fails to live up to the teaching and there we have recourse to the sacraments.
Rev. Wright was TEACHING and what he was teaching was a pile of lies and half truths leading to racial hatred.
The pedo scandals are horrible and something for which the Catholic Church has repented repeatedly–but they have nothing to do with TEACHING.
For anyone with a sound intellect, merely hurling “scandal” around ever time you hear mention of Catholicism, is tiresome indeed. For those paying attention, a child is many tmes more apt to be molested by an uncle, mother’s boyfriend or a public school teacher than by a Catholic priest. And the incidence among Protestant ministers is just as high, if not greater.
If you need stats, SS will be happy to oblige.
I was a dinner party, and one of the guests had a hillarious analogy. They recommended that Obama defend his position with his pastor by singing the old Three Dog Night tune:
Jeremiah was a bullfrog
Was a good friend of mine
I never understood a single word he said
But I helped him a-drink his wine
And he always had some mighty fine wine
“Catholicism abhors a contradiction in its teaching and strives to reconcile contradictions in our living through the sacraments. In my experience, one disagrees with the Church to his peril.”
I think a more accurate statement would have been:
“Catholicism abhors a contradiction to its teaching and strives to reconcile contradictions in our living through the sacraments. In my experience, one disagrees with the Church to his peril.”
In a Church without oversight the pastor / minister / rabbi / imam is essentially free to define the theology.
” Is this why the elders in the Catholic church tried to hide and cover up child molestation for years and years? There is much hypocrisy in many religions.
Those same priests guilty of damaging our children stood before the congregations with heavenly words as well.”
I am going out on a limb and thinking your use of the term elders demonstrates a Protestant formation and or mindset. That as the case may be, can it ever be said that any of the lies or coverups were part of the teaching or were they, in fact, sins that only compounded a bad situation (against the teachings) and made it worse with more actions against the teachings? I think you know the answer to that.
I think you also know that bringing up the abuse cases is an utter red herring, but one that causes sympathy no matter how irrelevent.
“Many preachers as well as people accross this country placed blame for 9/11 on our country! Our country HAS undermined the AA people since they were brought here as slaves. Why are people so afraid of truth?”
Straw man alert, Mary. We aren’t afraid of truth (and you would be hardpressed to find priests who think with the heart of the Church who advocated a worldview of “we got ours” on 9/11!)… As a matter of fact, we are not afraid at all. But we are somewhat disgusted at the nature and tone of this rhetoric. This use of tragedy for political expedience, this sort of nationalism. I am not afraid of it, I am disgusted by it.
“Ask yourself what Jesus would do. Would he turn away from a man who has done wonderous works to uplift a beaten people for a few words out of heated anger that the masses do not understand? Or would he embrace the man that could over look anothers faults?
“Jesus was a wise man. Are we to disavow his teachings or follow them?
Think how happy the good lord would be if we all worked togther to make a better world for all God’s children.
Mary these are such righteous & pious platitudes that it ends up meaning nothing. Who could oppose it? It is the platitude equivalent of asking someone if they still kick puppies. No sane Christian would say we are to disavow Jesus. No one would ever think that the world would be worse and not far better if we did serve Christ as commanded.
The question is how?
At the end of the day, however, I am left to wonder, how accurate is it to characterize this minister as “done wonderous works to uplift a beaten people”? I honestly don’t buy it.
jonolan,
I am not sure what you are getting at. But, the Church has spent centuries working out its theology and teachings in order that they not be self contradictory.
Internal contradictions are always a psychological possibility for persons. But this cannot be tolerated in the teaching of a Church which claims to uphold Truth.
Thanks, Father. I would say liberation theologians such as Gustavo Gutierez and such fit your bill of Catholic intellectuals like Rev. Wright in the Catholic Church, preaching ideology at the expense of theology…
PJP.
Good point. And it is not that they cant exist, but that they will be disciplined if their theology does not fit with Catholic theology. Leonardo Boff comes to mind.
Now, it must also be said that Gustavo is nothing like Rev. Wright. He has never fomented hatred toward anyone, though some have used general Lib. Theo. ideas to promote class hatreds.
Theologians in the Catholic Church get disciplined all the time. Rev. Wright or his equivalent would not last 2 weeks in the Catholic Church.
But can one argue that the like of Hans Kung have lasted more than 2 weeks, decades in the Church?
Surely they have been disciplined in some fashion, yet they remain within the Church, in some cases, dispensing sacraments, yet teach contrary to her holy teaching…
This is a personal concern of mine.
I was about to say, “How do the wackos find this place?”
But then I remembered that I found it pretty handily.
Again, Hans Kung has never damned a nation to hell or fomented racial hatreds.
Dissent is a real problem, PJP. I am concerned about it, too. But Catholic dissenters are in no way on an equal plane with Rev. Wright.
Rob, if you have a WordPress account, it lists all the blog posts with your similar interests. In the past week I have commented on many many blogs that I would not otherwise have heard of.
And, Rob, you should know that you enjoy PC’s “most favored wacko status.”
I gave a rather “cute” post, now I’ll be serious.
Fr. J. : “Theologians in the Catholic Church get disciplined all the time”
This is an especially accute flaw in the UCC version of Protestantisim (which I used to be). From Wikipedia:
The motto of the United Church of Christ comes from John 17:21: “That they may all be one.” The denomination’s official literature uses broad doctrinal parameters, honoring creeds and confessions as “testimonies of faith” rather than “tests of faith,” and emphasizes freedom of individual conscience and local church autonomy.
Having no magisterium, or creed, or covenant to bounce off what a congregation says against such a magisterium, there is nothing the national group could do to reprimand Obama’s pastor, even if they wanted to. Hence the rather feckless response to the “renegade” pastor: http://www.ucc.org/news/chicagos-trinity-ucc-is.html / http://ucctruths.blogspot.com/
Hence, Cardinal Newman’s critique of Amglicanisim is apropos, and then some, to the UCC, in that, in it’s attempt to be inclusive at all cost (I think Newman called it Latitudinalisim) it ceases to have any center, any moorings, etc…
Yes, I see, Father, but hasn’t dissent as such lambasted those things that are far greater more sacred than a nation or racial divides?
I’m not trying to derail the conversation. I’m just saying there are many within the Church that “preach ideology at the expense of theology” with far greater consequences and/or implications than that wrought by Rev. Wright.
“Like other black churches, Trinity’s services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.”
Should a church contain “bawdy humor… cruelty… and… shocking ignorance?”
I’m already against clapping, screaming and shouting in a church.
PJP, good points. It is vitally important that we have a theologian at the helm like HH Benedict XVI !!
Doc. well said !!
Fr. J,
I was going – with less passion and vitriol – the same place as PMG went. A lack of oversight leads to varying preaching and teaching.